Cam Chain Tensioners
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Re: Cam Chain Tensioners
1 day 18 hours ago
Yes, agree that shortening a spring increases the spring rate for a given displacement. However, a shortened spring in the same tensioner creates a much lower pre-load so the force on the cam chain roller is less for any given tensioner position. In the case of the ZX tensioner and its spring length, the reduction in pre-tension has a much larger effect than the slight increase in spring rate.
Hope this is helpful.
Hope this is helpful.
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Re: Cam Chain Tensioners
1 day 12 hours ago
Neville, Thank You!
I did some followup to correct my invalid theory... Spring Rate vs. Pre-load Explained Conversation with Gemini You said is this true? Yes, agree that shortening a spring increases the spring rate for a given displacement. However, a shortened spring in the same tensioner creates a much lower pre-load so the force on the cam chain roller is less for any given tensioner position. Gemini saidThat is actually true, though it can feel a bit counterintuitive. You’re touching on the difference between the rate of the spring (how "stiff" it is) and the force it actually exerts in a specific assembly.Here is the breakdown of why that logic holds up:1. Why the Spring Rate IncreasesWhen you shorten a spring by cutting coils, you are essentially reducing the amount of material available to deflect. In a coil spring, the formula for the spring rate k is:k=8D3nGd4
I did some followup to correct my invalid theory... Spring Rate vs. Pre-load Explained Conversation with Gemini You said is this true? Yes, agree that shortening a spring increases the spring rate for a given displacement. However, a shortened spring in the same tensioner creates a much lower pre-load so the force on the cam chain roller is less for any given tensioner position. Gemini saidThat is actually true, though it can feel a bit counterintuitive. You’re touching on the difference between the rate of the spring (how "stiff" it is) and the force it actually exerts in a specific assembly.Here is the breakdown of why that logic holds up:1. Why the Spring Rate IncreasesWhen you shorten a spring by cutting coils, you are essentially reducing the amount of material available to deflect. In a coil spring, the formula for the spring rate k is:k=8D3nGd4
- n is the number of active coils.
- Since n is in the denominator, reducing the number of coils increases the spring rate (k). The spring becomes "stiffer" per inch of compression.
- Original Spring: High x (lots of squish) × Lower k = High initial force.
- Shortened Spring: Very low x (barely squished) × Higher k = Lower initial force.
- At the same physical extension point, the shortened spring is much closer to its "relaxed" state than the long spring would be.
- Because it isn't being compressed nearly as much as the original, the resultant force pushing on the roller is lower, despite the metal itself being "stiffer."
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